Something interesting!

by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

John Aquila

Randall Waters predicted this years ago.

Vidiot, by any chance do you have a link? I would like to read more about this phenomenon.

I think if I hadn't woken up, I might have been one of these people. I'm almost sure of it.

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Something interesting!

by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

John Aquila

Cool. Any idea what they think about shunning / blood?

I didn't ask about that, I was having a hard time soaking what I was seeing.

Their free, but still a slave, explain that to me

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Something interesting!

by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

I'm in that age group but what's kind of weird, is I left just before the changes started taking place. Which i believe helped me from going bonkers. These guys are not apostates, so in a sense they are still stuck but at the same time they are free-- if that makes any sense.

No web address Vanderhoven7

It confirms that the older you get having lived all your life in the hopes of the big A you must start having doubts about the company you've been working for all your life

If you been around the WT as long as I have, and have given your all to believing the end was coming in your generation, then they change it, you can't help but have doubts, it's only human. If you don't have doubts, it's because your not normal. Something is missing, like a screw or two, in the old nogger.

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Something interesting!

by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

John Aquila

The skeptic in me says, "That's interesting. I'd like to know more."

Yea, me to. I never would have imagine things like this taking place. Not in my wildest dreams. I was suppose to be in "God's Only True Organization" And now look at what's happening. It can really drive a person crazy if he thinks to much of it.

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Something interesting!

by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

John Aquila

Please find out where they meet in Texas. I am curious as to who I may find there.

I did ask if I could go to the next meeting, he said sure. The thing is they only meet about 3 times a year. I guess this is just starting to take off. But I will ask next time what cities in Texas.

What's interesting is that they are very leary of anyone under a certain age, I'm thinking 60s. That's why I believe this thing is something brand new.

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Something interesting!

by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

John Aquila

I was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend. We both served as elders for years. He is in his late 70s. I will skip the details about how I was invited but interestingly the invitation was to me and me alone. I was told I could not invite anyone myself.

To my surprised, a group of about 100-150--???--- brothers and sisters rent a building and meet every few months. The youngest couple is 65 years old. These are all former elders, former regular pioneers, who are no longer serving. They have all stepped down. They are from all over the city, English congregations only. There was food and drink and association for about 4 hours. After a couple of hours one of the brothers got up and gave a little talk of encouragement.

Are you wondering what this is all about? Believe me, I was very curious what was going on. I will give you a brief rundown on what I observed. Afterwards I asked questions and it just confirmed what the brother said from the platform.

This group of JWs still believe that God is at some point going to intervene into man’s affairs. When—they are not sure. That’s the only thing they have in common with the Watchtower.

They don’t buy into the overlapping generation explanation anymore. They don’t approve of the JW TV. They think they have become part of the TV evangelical –Babylon the Great. They believe the Cart witnessing is a cowardly way of preaching God’s Kingdom.

They think the WT has lost focus on God’s will and it being caught in Satan’s greedy commercialism. They don’t go out in service anymore because they feel it is wrong to focus and preach JW.Org instead of announcing God’s Kingdom. Also they are not sure if this period is the last days.

They don’t support any of the financial projects that beg for more money. They still read the WT magazine but pick and choose articles they read. They download the magazines instead of ordering them through the congregation because they only attend the Sunday meetings once every couple of months just to see what is going on.

They don’t read apostate stuff.

There is no one under 65 years old. These are JWs who don’t believe the WT is being used by Jehovah anymore but still believe that there is gong to be divine intervention.

The brother speaking from the platform said they have been in contact with other groups of JWs like them in Phoenix Arizona, Albuquerque N.M. and different cities in Texas.

I believe the WT is starting to fragment from the inside just like the Bible Students did what Judge Rutherford took over after Charles T. Russell’s death.

They are not WT members anymore

And they are not Apostates.

There are something new.

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Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

by Tenacious in

i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

was it the wts and all its crap?

was it something you read?

John Aquila

I can’t say if A God exists so it doesn't matter if I believe or not. To me that question is not the important question to ask.

The question I ask myself is, “If there is a God, does God Care for me and my family, and will He rescue us from death.”

What does creation teach us about God?

“To sustain itself nearly all life, except the least living elements of life, kills and eats other life. If not this, then it consumes biological matter at the expense of other living beings.

The fight for food is also a case of living beings being required to outdo each other merely to survive.

If life was created, this is surely the worst possible way to have created life. It appears very much that life cannot survive without causing suffering for other life.

A god could not have created a more vicious cycle if it tried:

Tying the very existence of life with the necessary killing of other life is the work of an evil genius, not of an all-powerful and all-loving god, that could choose if it wanted to sustain all life immediately and forever with manna from heaven.”

So if God does exists, whether I believe or not, he is not an all loving, merciful, compassionate being, who is going to save me and my family from death, but instead He is pure evil who delights in seeing us go through pain when we see our spouse die of cancer, or our children get killed by some maniac, or the sadness that goes through our mind when we see our bodies get old and wrinkle and we finally take our last breath.

This God can’t even answer a few simple questions that billions of humans throughout history have been fervently praying for answers.

Why is there so much suffering? What happens when we die? Do you exist?

Those are simple questions that an omnipotent – Benevolent -Omniscience, God could answer very easily if he was a God of LOVE.

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You need to marry a ministerial Servant!

by John Aquila in

a single sister in her 40s and her two single daughters were visiting my mom.

i would say her daughters are in their early 20s.

my mom got sleepy and we put her to bed but the three sisters stayed to finish their drinks..

John Aquila

So I guess the Bible teaches that newly baptized ones in the "Truth" are not allowed to marry?? WTF???

(1 Timothy 4:1-3) . . .However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons, ..... forbidding to marry, . . .

I guess the GB encourages teaching of demons.

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You need to marry a ministerial Servant!

by John Aquila in

a single sister in her 40s and her two single daughters were visiting my mom.

i would say her daughters are in their early 20s.

my mom got sleepy and we put her to bed but the three sisters stayed to finish their drinks..

John Aquila

A single sister in her 40s and her two single daughters were visiting my mom. I would say her daughters are in their early 20s. My mom got sleepy and we put her to bed but the three sisters stayed to finish their drinks.

Then they got into an argument that escalated into yelling matches. I didn’t get involved but the subject of the argument prodded me to be quiet and listen. (BTW) my mom is almost completely deaf. So I wasn’t worried about them waking her up.

Evidently the fight had been ongoing. The daughters want to date some guys that are not JWs. The mother reminded them that the direction by the “Slave” was to marry a brother- and not just any brother –but a brother who was a, “ministerial servant”

Well both daughters were trying to reason with the mother and letting her know, that most of the brothers in the circuit are NOT ministerial servants. And those that are, can’t even take care of themselves financially, in fact most of them are losers. And the brothers that did go to school and are ministerial servants usually pick sisters in their teens, beauty queens, to date and marry. And the brothers that are not ministerial servants, most of them have girlfriends that are not JWs.

The mother shot back and told them if they wanted Jehovah’s blessing in the marriage they needed to follow His direction through the “Slave”. Otherwise, the marriage is doom to fail.

One of the daughter shot back and said, “You mean like dad left us, He was an elder”

The mom ran out the door and the daughters followed. I waited to see if they were coming back but I heard the car sip away.

I asked my mom who they were and she said they are new ones that have moved into the hall.

I wonder how many young sisters are going through this problem.

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